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What's this Americanized Islam?
Nov 4^th, 2007, 7:48am

Dear friends:

Since the occupation of Afghanistan by the US and NATO forces we have been experiencing a strange phenomena in the name of Islam in Afghanistan through American unleashed dogs in the name of Mujahedin.

Here are the reasons:

Today Mr. Ghaus Zalmai, a journalist and the spokesman of attorney office in Kabul, along with the imam of a mosque in Kabul are jailed because he published the translation of holy Koran in Dari language. American mujahedin allege that it is infidelity to publish a Dari translation of holy Koran! While the Imam confired the translation was correct.
Mr. Moheqeq, the editor of Women magazine, was sentenced to death because he alleged that women and men got equal rights in Islam!
A person by the name of Abdul Rehman was sentenced to death because he converted to Christianity while Islam does not make people remain Muslim forcefully. In Islam there is no coercion.
Malalai Joya asked for punishment of criminals in Afghaistan. She was kicked out of LJ and she was labeled an infidel!

Please tell me what kind of Islam these k(0)smaderan are up to in Afghanistan under US occupation?

Why would it be wrong to publish holy Koran in Dari language for people who can understand and read it?

You are urged to participate in talks educationally, please.

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #1 - Nov 4^th, 2007, 8:22am

Dear friends:

Arrest order for Ghaus Zalami was issued by Abdul Jabar Sabet:

Who is Abdul Jabar Sabet?

Abdul Jabar Sabet who is acting as the attorney general of puppet regime in Karzai package was used to act as a fighting dog for Golbuddin at the initial stage of his political activities. His category people were throwing acid on the face of school girls on Kabul streets.
Later on to get a government position in puppet Kabul regime he repeatedly announced that Habibullah Kalakani who participated in Amanullah Khan's overthrow from power was Afghanistan's national hero. Amanuallh Khan's idea was for an independent country. This was not liked by UK colonial power in the sub-continent.
To show that he was a democrat minded person he chose Ghaus Zalamai who is arrested now up on his order as his spokesperson in the attorney general office.
He announced that the sin of Zalami was his escape to save his life. He added even if the translation was presented to him he would have published that.

A man spat on a 'mullah' who was commiting adultery right in the mosque. The 'mullah' immediately charged him for dishonouring the mosque for his spitting!

In this case Abdul Jabar Sabet does not blame Zalmai for his publishing the translation of holy Koran but he accuse Zalmai why he escaped to save his life. It is necessary to add that the Ikhwanis who are also known as Mujahedin charged him for infidelity and punishment for infidelity is stoning to death!

Now you can judge about the real situaiotn in Afghnaistan under US and NATO occupation.

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #2 - Nov 4^th, 2007, 5:02pm

I don’t like this jerk Sabet. But here his charge maybe saving G. Zalmay.
Sabet charged Zalmay only for escaping the country while the later is asked by the government for clarification in regard of his publishing. That is a weaker charge compared to blasphemy.
Hopefully that saves G. Zalami from those other monsters.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #3 - Nov 4^th, 2007, 9:52pm

Dear Khaak,

The problem goes beyond ignorants like Sabet and his predecessor Shinwari.

It lies in the way the US wrote the constitution for the puppet regime.

In the hope of gaining support from the fundamentalists, the US converted our nation into an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.....and thus gave major powers to people like Sabet.

As long as the country remains an Islamic republic, such acts of ignorance and barbarism will continue...with the full support of the US.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #4 - Nov 4^th, 2007, 10:07pm

Quote from JKabuli on Nov 4^th, 2007, 9:52pm:

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It lies in the way the US wrote the constitution for the puppet regime.

I remember it quite differently. I remember it was people like Rabbani and Sayaf that changed the constitution to what it is today. At first, it was much more liberal, until the Jihadis drastically changed it.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #5 - Nov 4^th, 2007, 10:15pm

Quote from JKabuli on Nov 4^th, 2007, 9:52pm:

Dear Khaak,

The problem goes beyond ignorants like Sabet and his predecessor Shinwari.

It lies in the way the US wrote the constitution for the puppet regime.

In the hope of gaining support from the fundamentalists, the US converted our nation into an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.....and thus gave major powers to people like Sabet.

As long as the country remains an Islamic republic, such acts of ignorance and barbarism will continue...with the full support of the US.

cheers

Dear JKabuli:

From the moment the Americans got involved in Afghanistan Khaak condemned the treacheries of the US which started from praising Masood and his thug band but you started to react against Khaak's that logical stance. Now you confirm Khaak's stance after six years!

What's wrong with you?

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #6 - Nov 4^th, 2007, 10:19pm

Quote from Shaakh- on Nov 4^th, 2007, 5:02pm:

I don’t like this jerk Sabet. But here his charge maybe saving G. Zalmay.
Sabet charged Zalmay only for escaping the country while the later is asked by the government for clarification in regard of his publishing. That is a weaker charge compared to blasphemy.
Hopefully that saves G. Zalami from those other monsters.

Dear Shaakh-:

What is wrong for Ghous Zalmai to decide to leave the country? That is his legal right. He has not committed anything wrong by publishing a Dari version of Koran. Sabet said if the book was presented to him he would have published that.

Why would thug Rabbani and Sayyaf order the arrest and investigation of Ghous Zalmai? Why would Sabet order his arrest in Torkham? Why would the Jehadi thugs deprive him of his movement rights freely?

The only thing the thugs could do at Torkham was to ask him present a valid travel document. If he could not present one they should not let him pass the border but they had no right to arrest him.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #7 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 10:34am

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 4^th, 2007, 10:15pm:

Quote from JKabuli on Nov 4^th, 2007, 9:52pm:

Dear Khaak,

The problem goes beyond ignorants like Sabet and his predecessor Shinwari.

It lies in the way the US wrote the constitution for the puppet regime.

In the hope of gaining support from the fundamentalists, the US converted our nation into an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.....and thus gave major powers to people like Sabet.

As long as the country remains an Islamic republic, such acts of ignorance and barbarism will continue...with the full support of the US.

cheers

Dear JKabuli:

From the moment the Americans got involved in Afghanistan Khaak condemned the treacheries of the US which started from praising Masood and his thug band but you started to react against Khaak's that logical stance. Now you confirm Khaak's stance after six years!

What's wrong with you?

Khaak

Dear Khaak,

From what we remember Khaak was very sad for the defeat of the Taliban, and the major set back to Pakistani intentions in our country.....has it been that long that your memory is failing you

The Bonn Conference hijacked the struggle against the Taliban. And with the murder of Massoud by CIA-ISI agents, there was no one to continue his mission.

Puppet Karzai was chosen on the basis of ethno-fascist understandings of Afghan politics, and that is where we are now.

The US and Karzai have no love for Masssoud or his vision for our country. On the contrary, they use his image for political purposes only. YOu know that very well.

In the meantime, ethno-fascist Milletis and "reformed Talibs, and opportunistic Afghan-americans continue to rule our nation for US interests.

The US used three instruments to gain control in our country. The first was nominal praise for Massoud, the second was Milleti fascism, and the third was Islamism.

Today ALL THREE strategies are failing, and the Pakitalibs are back....isnt that interesting!!!

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #8 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 12:36pm

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 4^th, 2007, 7:48am:

Why would it be wrong to publish holy Koran in Dari language for people who can understand and read it?

You are urged to participate in talks educationally, please.

Khaak

Dear khaak,

Quran has been translated in all major language of the world, Dari or Farsi has tons of translation, there is no objection, but why eliminate the actual words of Quran which is in Arabic, is the issue.

we have to ask all those question,
who are these people who wrote this translation ?
what are the motives ?
are they qualify to do this ?
is it ok to leave Quran words aside ?
because a few criminal are against these guys, means these guys are doing good job ?

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #9 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 4:29pm

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 4^th, 2007, 8:22am:

Dear friends:

Arrest order for Ghaus Zalami was issued by Abdul Jabar Sabet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/images/2007/06/20070619075520x-sabet203.jpg

Who is Abdul Jabar Sabet?

Abdul Jabar Sabet who is acting as the attorney general of puppet regime in Karzai package was used to act as a fighting dog for Golbuddin at the initial stage of his political activities. His category people were throwing acid on the face of school girls on Kabul streets.
Later on to get a government position in puppet Kabul regime he repeatedly announced that Habibullah Kalakani who participated in Amanullah Khan's overthrow from power was Afghanistan's national hero. Amanuallh Khan's idea was for an independent country. This was not liked by UK colonial power in the sub-continent.
To show that he was a democrat minded person he chose Ghaus Zalamai who is arrested now up on his order as his spokesperson in the attorney general office.
He announced that the sin of Zalami was his escape to save his life. He added even if the translation was presented to him he would have published that.

A man spat on a 'mullah' who was commiting adultery right in the mosque. The 'mullah' immediately charged him for dishonouring the mosque for his spitting!

In this case Abdul Jabar Sabet does not blame Zalmai for his publishing the translation of holy Koran but he accuse Zalmai why he escaped to save his life. It is necessary to add that the Ikhwanis who are also known as Mujahedin charged him for infidelity and punishment for infidelity is stoning to death!

Now you can judge about the real situaiotn in Afghnaistan under US and NATO occupation.

Khaak

Khaak,

If Abdul Jabar Sabet is guilty you think than the whole Afghanistan is guilty. Do you know how tough his job is?

His job is to deal with 99% of uneducated people. He deals with warlords, criminals and with educated Afghans who have no respect for Afghanistan and its constitution on daily bases. He deals with people who love killing. He deals with people steel from poor Afghans.

Arresting Ghous Zelmi who is not qualified to translate and distribute Quran without Afghan government permission is very very minor issue compare to arresting a warlord who rob from innocent people.

I wish you sit one day on his seat to do his job and you will get what kind of people he is dealing with. You will not continue his job for more than a day. Dealing with corruption, warlords, uneducated people, and working for a US and Europe dependent government is not an easy job.

My point is we need to support people who fight for innocent people or fight against corruption whatever ability he or she has.

Manana.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #10 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 5:50pm

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Khaak,

If Abdul Jabar Sabet is guilty you think than the whole Afghanistan is guilty. Do you know how tough his job is?

His job is to deal with 99% of uneducated people. He deals with warlords, criminals and with educated Afghans who have no respect for Afghanistan and its constitution on daily bases. He deals with people who love killing. He deals with people steel from poor Afghans.

Arresting Ghous Zelmi who is not qualified to translate and distribute Quran without Afghan government permission is very very minor issue compare to arresting a warlord who rob from innocent people.

I wish you sit one day on his seat to do his job and you will get what kind of people he is dealing with. You will not continue his job for more than a day. Dealing with corruption, warlords, uneducated people, and working for a US and Europe dependent government is not an easy job.

My point is we need to support people who fight for innocent people or fight against corruption whatever ability he or she has.

Manana.

Dear Aryub and Ayna:

I do not know what are arguing on in presence of such excellent explanation from Aryub:
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Arresting Ghous Zelmi who is not qualified to translate and distribute Quran without Afghan government permission is very very minor issue compare to arresting a warlord who rob from innocent people.

That's the whole point that I am trying to make. Why would Sabet bother to arrest Ghous Zalmai. Ghous Zalamai might not have done a good job but it is not worth to even discuss about it leave alone that the so-called Afghan parliament and the attorney general of Afghanistan is ordering his arrest.

Even if he has done something wrong he should have been granted a good title. When our 'national hero' is Masood, any k(0)smader is a hero for me in Afghanistan.

We seem to be repeating the same thing.

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #11 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 6:22pm

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Dear Khaak,

From what we remember Khaak was very sad for the defeat of the Taliban, and the major set back to Pakistani intentions in our country.....has it been that long that your memory is failing you Tongue

The Bonn Conference hijacked the struggle against the Taliban. And with the murder of Massoud by CIA-ISI agents, there was no one to continue his mission.

Puppet Karzai was chosen on the basis of ethno-fascist understandings of Afghan politics, and that is where we are now.

The US and Karzai have no love for Masssoud or his vision for our country. On the contrary, they use his image for political purposes only. YOu know that very well.

In the meantime, ethno-fascist Milletis and "reformed Talibs, and opportunistic Afghan-americans continue to rule our nation for US interests.

The US used three instruments to gain control in our country. The first was nominal praise for Massoud, the second was Milleti fascism, and the third was Islamism.

Today ALL THREE strategies are failing, and the Pakitalibs are back....isnt that interesting!!!

Dear JKabuli:

Taleban are back. That's interesting. Now the question is directed to you:

How much vesiline have you stored to be on safe side?

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #12 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 6:46pm

Nag, nag, nag,

It's all this bunch knows how to do very well!

..."It lies in the way the US wrote the constitution for the puppet regime."

Well, with the "apparently" educated Aghans that come to splatter these forums, we could say that they might be writing a constitution to satisfy Afghan needs. But, even though they may be better educated, they would much rather blame someone for their own created fvcked up circumstances.

There is nothing worse than to live a life of nothing but complete denial, and absolute blame on others!!!

On the other hand Zarmina states that: ..."I remember it quite differently. I remember it was people like Rabbani and Sayaf that changed the constitution to what it is today. At first, it was much more liberal, until the Jihadis drastically changed it."...

Zarmina states that it is Afghans who have taken charge - quite the opposite of the "belly achers" -. But not only that, Zarmina tells us that the Afghans who changed the constitution were smarter than the bunch that later chose to go back to that "fundamentalist bvllsh!t". The "belly achers" are "off the chain", because, as usual, they blame someone else outside of Afganistan for trying to create a smarter nation. They feel the nation is better off being retrograde. What a wonderful option this "neo developmentalists" have discovered!

What else is new?

Well, deal with it! After all, these "belly achers" will do nothing but just that: Belly ache!

The status quo is the "belly achers" deal.

Anything else is much more intelligent. But, of course, the "belly achers" will never see it. They are just too busy complaining.

Get a "REAL" life! Like most people.

Most people don't go around blaming the world for the sh!t they themselves create. Instead, they come to terms with the fact that they created some insane circumstances, so they go ahead and "handle it".

Do you ever hear yourselves whining? Don't you get tired of whining, all the time? Don't you ever wish you could come up with solutions, rather than just "belly ache" all the time?

Such pity!!!

Well, guess what, come closer and see the tears of "pain" and "sympathy" running down my face! Boo hoo!!!

Maybe if I "belly ache" and cry loud enough, and foam at the mouth sufficiently, I might be able to change Afghanistan's fate!!!!

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #13 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 7:21pm

Quote from Ayna on Nov 5^th, 2007, 12:36pm:

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 4^th, 2007, 7:48am:

Why would it be wrong to publish holy Koran in Dari language for people who can understand and read it?

You are urged to participate in talks educationally, please.

Khaak

Dear khaak,

Quran has been translated in all major language of the world, Dari or Farsi has tons of translation, there is no objection, but why eliminate the actual words of Quran which is in Arabic, is the issue.

we have to ask all those question,
who are these people who wrote this translation ?
what are the motives ?
are they qualify to do this ?
is it ok to leave Quran words aside ?
because a few criminal are against these guys, means these guys are doing good job ?

who are these people behind this,
سه تن غوث زلمی روزنامه نگار ،قاری مشتاق احمد

و بختیاری مجهول الهویه

قاری مشتاق ملا امام است نه ملا ودانشمند دینی هر کس که نماز را بداند حق امامت دادن را در نزد أهل سنت دارد ، خودش نیز میداند که اشتباه بزرگ را مر تکب شده وهیچ دلیل در جهت دفاع از کار خود ندارد.از طرف دیگر هموطنان ما میدانند که ملا های زیارت خانه ها که قاری مشتاق یکی از آنهاست از سواد کمی بر خورداراند، ایشان صرف در حد توصیف شیوخ وأهل کرامات وا فسانه های ازین قبیل بخاطر إغوای مریدان ومقتدی ها معلومات دارند وبس فهم و درک قرآن به مفهوم واقعی برای شان مشکل است. ایشان معمولا نقیصه معنویت را با زیور ظاهر وورد زبان جبران کرده اند.

. زلمی غوث به ساختن کیس ودوسیه پناهندگی که معیار های قبولی دران محسوس باشد مهارت کامل دارد چون او قبلا در یکی از کشور های اروپائی پناهنده شده بود ،اما بجرم دست داشتن به قاچاق انسان ومواد مخدرسند تابعیت وپناهندگی آن أخذ گردید. درین نوبت او بجای اروپا آمریکا را انتخاب کرده بود تصمیم داشت به مجرد رسیدن به پشاور به یکی از سفارت خانه های کشور های غربی پناه ببرد تا اورا مانند عبدالرحمن به صد اکرام وإعزاز انتقال وبزعم خودش از قتل نجاتش دهند

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #14 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 7:46pm

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سه تن غوث زلمی روزنامه نگار ،قاری مشتاق احمد

و بختیاری مجهول الهویه

قاری مشتاق ملا امام است نه ملا ودانشمند دینی هر کس که نماز را بداند حق امامت دادن را در نزد أهل سنت دارد ، خودش نیز میداند که اشتباه بزرگ را مر تکب شده وهیچ دلیل در جهت دفاع از کار خود ندارد.از طرف دیگر هموطنان ما میدانند که ملا های زیارت خانه ها که قاری مشتاق یکی از آنهاست از سواد کمی بر خورداراند، ایشان صرف در حد توصیف شیوخ وأهل کرامات وا فسانه های ازین قبیل بخاطر إغوای مریدان ومقتدی ها معلومات دارند وبس فهم و درک قرآن به مفهوم واقعی برای شان مشکل است. ایشان معمولا نقیصه معنویت را با زیور ظاهر وورد زبان جبران کرده اند.

. زلمی غوث به ساختن کیس ودوسیه پناهندگی که معیار های قبولی دران محسوس باشد مهارت کامل دارد چون او قبلا در یکی از کشور های اروپائی پناهنده شده بود ،اما بجرم دست داشتن به قاچاق انسان ومواد مخدرسند تابعیت وپناهندگی آن أخذ گردید. درین نوبت او بجای اروپا آمریکا را انتخاب کرده بود تصمیم داشت به مجرد رسیدن به پشاور به یکی از سفارت خانه های کشور های غربی پناه ببرد تا اورا مانند عبدالرحمن به صد اکرام وإعزاز انتقال وبزعم خودش از قتل نجاتش دهند

دوست محترم جناب حضرت صاحب آئینه:

توضیحات شما را خواندم. از مضمون دانستگی حاصل شد.

اگر باساس توضیحات شما بر اساس فهم و دانش انسان ها در مورد قرآن و خدا گز و پل صورت گیرد هیچ کسی در این جهان یافت نمی شود که معنی و مفهوم قرآن را بداند. این گپ در مورد هر کس از آیات ا لله های ایرانی گرفته تا دانشمندان پوهنتون الازهر قاهره و وهابی های ملحد و بی دین عربستان سعودی صدق می کند.

ترجمه قرآن را که خودت و من در اختیار داریم نیز نواقص و عیوب زیاد دارد. اگر شما ترجمه دو قرآن از دو منبع را با هم مقایسه کنید در معنی و توضیح اختلافات زیاد موجود است. این گپ در مورد ملاهای ایران بارزتر است. یک آیت الله در بغداد حضور امریکا در عراق را عین دستور اسلامی تعبیر و تفسیر می نماید و ملای دیگر از تهران آن را یک عمل کفر آمیز می داند. وهابی های سعودی از یک طرف داد از اسلام و قرآن می زنند ولی از سوی دیگر برای حفاظت حرمین شرفین از قوای صهیونیستی مدد می خواهند.

با در نظرگرفتن این توضیح مجمل و مختصر آقای غوث زلمی و قاری مشتاق احمد اگر از ایات الله های ایرانی و دانشمندان الازهر مصر و وهابی های ملحد سعودی برتری ندارند کمی هم ندارند. ما می گوئیم:

دختر همسایه خلمک است و به آذان غریب کسی نماز نمی خواند.

در مورد اینکه شما می فرمائید که هدف غوث زلمی از این کار یافتن راه برای مهاجرت بامریکاست نیز دلیل موثق نیست. ما نمی توانیم در مورد موضوعات بر اساس حدس و گمان تصمیم بگیریم. شما برای اثبات ادعای خویش هیچ دلیلی ندارید. اگر گپ شما را تهمت نگوئیم به یقین می توان آن را شایعه گفت. توقیف شخصی بر اساس شایعات و تهمت جرم است.

اگر این توضیح شما را درست هم فرض کنیم که غوث زلمی از این کار خویش هدف داشت و آن هدف هم پناهندگی به امریکا بود ولی باز هم گپ های زیادی مطرح است. این کار غوث زلمی جرم نیست. اگر جرم باشد لطفا ماده قانون را نشان دهید که جرم غوث زلمی را پیش بینی کرده باشد. برادران جهادی ما بخاطر چوکی و پول افغانستان را تباه ساخت ولی امروز از آنها بحیث قهرمانان ملی تجلیل می گردد. در مملکتی که اساس آن را خیانت و غدر تشکیل می دهد، آیا این کار غوث زلمی جرم است؟

خواهمشندم در این مورد توضیح گویاتر ارائه بدارید.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #15 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 8:32pm

قرآن با همین صورت ولغتیکه نازل شده در سینه ها ثبت وقابلیت حفظ را داشته از گزند تحریف در امان است . ترجمه قرآن کریم بدون کلیمات والفاظ منزل به زبان عربی هم وجود ندارد.همین الفاظ قرآن إعجاز آن است که حقانیت رسول خاتم را تا رسیدن به خدا
امتداد می بخشد
غوث زلمی روزنامه نگار ،قاری مشتاق احمد و بختیاری مجهول الهویه
در مورد خصوصیات وویژه گی های قرآن معلومات اندکی هم نداشته اند .ایشان قرآن کریم را به سائر کتب آسمانی چون
تورات وانجیل مقایسه کرده اند که بدون داشتن کلیمات منزل بزبانیکه نازل شده تر جمه وبه دسترس جهانیان قرار گرفته بناء خواستند رسم نو بر پا کنند وقرآن را بزعم خود شان ساده سازند.غافل ازینکه این اقدام شان به منزلۀ تحریف قرآن است عملی که اگر عمدی باشد معادل کفر است.ایشان نمیدانند که کلیمات منزل قرآن إعجاز آن است ودلیل بقا وجاودانگی وضامن حفظ آن از تحریف است.

what ever i post here is not my own writing, but someone else. and the reason i posted here is i do agree with writer

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #16 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 8:47pm

Quote from Ayna on Nov 5^th, 2007, 8:32pm:

قرآن با همین صورت ولغتیکه نازل شده در سینه ها ثبت وقابلیت حفظ را داشته از گزند تحریف در امان است . ترجمه قرآن کریم بدون کلیمات والفاظ منزل به زبان عربی هم وجود ندارد.همین الفاظ قرآن إعجاز آن است که حقانیت رسول خاتم را تا رسیدن به خدا
امتداد می بخشد
غوث زلمی روزنامه نگار ،قاری مشتاق احمد و بختیاری مجهول الهویه
در مورد خصوصیات وویژه گی های قرآن معلومات اندکی هم نداشته اند .ایشان قرآن کریم را به سائر کتب آسمانی چون
تورات وانجیل مقایسه کرده اند که بدون داشتن کلیمات منزل بزبانیکه نازل شده تر جمه وبه دسترس جهانیان قرار گرفته بناء خواستند رسم نو بر پا کنند وقرآن را بزعم خود شان ساده سازند.غافل ازینکه این اقدام شان به منزلۀ تحریف قرآن است عملی که اگر عمدی باشد معادل کفر است.ایشان نمیدانند که کلیمات منزل قرآن إعجاز آن است ودلیل بقا وجاودانگی وضامن حفظ آن از تحریف است.

what ever i post here is not my own writing, but someone else. and the reason i posted here is i do agree with writer

دوست محترم جناب حضرت صاحب آئینه:

گپ ها و نظریات شما را خواندم. از گپ های شما دانستگی حاصل شد. ضرور نیست شما نظر و گپ خودا را بار بار تکرار کنید. گپ شما گپ خود تان است و من گپ های شما را محترم می دانم. بیا گپ را کوتاه سازیم.

آقای غوث زلمی با این کارش گناهی را مرتکب شد. هیچ ضرور نیست که از غوث زلمی دفاع صورت گیرد.

اصل گپ در کجاست؟

کسیکه جرمی را علیه اسلام مرتکب شده باشد باید توسط یک قاضی اسلامی و مسلمان مورد محاکمه قرار گیرد. آیا کسانیکه غوث زلمی را مورد محاکمه قرار می دهند مسلمان است؟

مسعود بنام جهاد و اسلام افغانستان را تباه ساخت ولی وی بپاس این کارش بحیث قهرمان ملی اعلام شد. در مدت نه چندان دور جنرال صاحب جرات آقای ثابت را در راه شمالی از موترش پائین کرده و مانند یک موش سیلی کاریش کرد. بردران جهادی در کابل هزاران دختر عفیف افغان را بنام اسلام و جهاد بی عفت ساختند ولی تمام آنها امروز بحیث قهرمانان ملی خوانده می شوند.

دلیل چیست که این گناه خورد غوث زلمی مورد تعقیب و بازخواست قرار می گیرد؟

آیا از نظر شما این یک کار خوب است؟

شخصی وارد مسجد شد و ملا صاحب را بالفعل حین اجرای لواطت مشاهده کرد. وی بالای ملا تف انداخت. ملا این شخص را بخاطر توهین به ملا و مسجد مورد محاکمه قرار داد! آیا این کار معنی و مفهوم دارد؟

من از شما خواستم که آیه قران را بیاورید که عمل غوث زلمی را جرم نشان دهد و ماده قانون افغانستان را ذکر کنید که غوث زلمی مجرم است. در صورتیکه شما آیه قرآن نداشته باشید و حدیث پیغمبر را هم در مورد غوث زلمی نداشته باشید و در قوانین افغانستان نیز این عمل جرم تلقی نشده باشد، دلیل چیست که غوث زلمی مجرم است. جرم عملیست که قبلا در قانون پیشبینی شده باشد. در کدام ماده قانون افغانستان نوشته شده که غوث زلمی نمی تواند قرآن را در زبان دری نشر کند؟

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #17 - Nov 5^th, 2007, 11:14pm

Quote from Justice on Nov 5^th, 2007, 6:46pm:

Nag, nag, nag,

It's all this bunch knows how to do very well!

..."It lies in the way the US wrote the constitution for the puppet regime."

Well, with the "apparently" educated Aghans that come to splatter these forums, we could say that they might be writing a constitution to satisfy Afghan needs. But, even though they may be better educated, they would much rather blame someone for their own created fvcked up circumstances.

There is nothing worse than to live a life of nothing but complete denial, and absolute blame on others!!!

On the other hand Zarmina states that: ..."I remember it quite differently. I remember it was people like Rabbani and Sayaf that changed the constitution to what it is today. At first, it was much more liberal, until the Jihadis drastically changed it."...

Zarmina states that it is Afghans who have taken charge - quite the opposite of the "belly achers" -. But not only that, Zarmina tells us that the Afghans who changed the constitution were smarter than the bunch that later chose to go back to that "fundamentalist bvllsh!t". The "belly achers" are "off the chain", because, as usual, they blame someone else outside of Afganistan for trying to create a smarter nation. They feel the nation is better off being retrograde. What a wonderful option this "neo developmentalists" have discovered!

What else is new?

Well, deal with it! After all, these "belly achers" will do nothing but just that: Belly ache!

The status quo is the "belly achers" deal.

Anything else is much more intelligent. But, of course, the "belly achers" will never see it. They are just too busy complaining.

Get a "REAL" life! Like most people.

Most people don't go around blaming the world for the sh!t they themselves create. Instead, they come to terms with the fact that they created some insane circumstances, so they go ahead and "handle it".

Do you ever hear yourselves whining? Don't you get tired of whining, all the time? Don't you ever wish you could come up with solutions, rather than just "belly ache" all the time?

Such pity!!!

Well, guess what, come closer and see the tears of "pain" and "sympathy" running down my face! Boo hoo!!!

Maybe if I "belly ache" and cry loud enough, and foam at the mouth sufficiently, I might be able to change Afghanistan's fate!!!!

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Dear Justice,

I couldn't disagree. It is like some of these people (failed individuals with “failure” psyche) always have to find an excuse, even for finding solution for what- is - their - own - problem. Seriously, in my book people like him/them are abnormal. They are against the current government, which according to them is not legitimate – but at the same time other than bluffing, repeating the same BS which they have been for 30 years and fighting each other BUT yet no seems to have a vision for their fkng legitimate government or ANY freaking vision for Afghanistan. And you’re mistaken for referring to the idiots as the educate lot.LOL This is no joke, a while ago I was talking to my friends (graduates) about this forum, and the funniest thing is that on of them replied that this forum is full of “nutcases” and he even named Watson. Grin

Many people with bright ideas are put off by some of these goons to post in here, unless one is realy intriqued.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #18 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 12:55am

[quote author=WatanDost link=1194191304/15#16 date=1194324462]Quote from Ayna on Nov 5^th, 2007, 8:32pm:

. بیا گپ را کوتاه سازیم.

آقای غوث زلمی با این کارش گناهی را مرتکب شد. هیچ ضرور نیست که از غوث زلمی دفاع صورت گیرد.

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I agree with this 100%, what evere you said about those Hypocrites and criminal i Agree120%.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #19 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 6:03am

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Dear Justice,

I couldn't disagree. It is like some of these people (failed individuals with “failure” psyche) always have to find an excuse, even for finding solution for what- is - their - own - problem. Seriously, in my book people like him/them are abnormal. They are against the current government, which according to them is not legitimate – but at the same time other than bluffing, repeating the same BS which they have been for 30 years and fighting each other BUT yet no seems to have a vision for their fkng legitimate government or ANY freaking vision for Afghanistan. And you’re mistaken for referring to the idiots as the educate lot.LOL This is no joke, a while ago I was talking to my friends (graduates) about this forum, and the funniest thing is that on of them replied that this forum is full of “nutcases” and he even named Watson. Grin

Many people with bright ideas are put off by some of these goons to post in here, unless one is realy intriqued.

Dear k-faZ:

As a hired CIA agent you and Justice got to achieve your mission. You got G. W. Bush support behind you. You should prevail over the logic of Khaak here without any problem and you should never encounter any problem facing some Taleban on the ground. You enjoy the support of the US, number one super power on the face of the earth.

Why do you get depanted by Khaak in dialog and Taleb on the ground?

Any reason?

The reason is clear. The White House is under control of idiots. They easily get manipulated by vulgarism and vulgars such as Chalabi category people in Iraq and you category people in Afghanistan!

It is the beginning of the work. You got a lengthy road to travel but you seem to be crippling at the beginning of your trip. You need to feel ashamed of your dirty commitment toward your CIA bosses.

Do you think it is worth to sell your dignity and consciences for some money? You cannot encounter Khaak or Taleb from your steel fenced holes at the service of CIA for gaining some money! To encounter Khaak you need to have the necessary determination and will.

Khaak

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