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WatanDost Executive Member We are what we learnt during our learnings process Posts: 20002	Re: What's this Americanized Islam? Reply #20 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 6:13am Dear friends: The talk is about Ghouse Zalmai and his publishing Koran in Dari language. Please enrich the talk in that limit. You faZ and Just(l)ice should not attempt to turn the thread to propagate your k(s)maderi, OK? Khaak
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Justice Ex Member	Re: What's this Americanized Islam? Reply #21 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 6:47am Hey, Watson, What a pile of horsh!t are you laying around here? As usual! Solutions! Remember, Watson, Solutions! Do you have any?
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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #22 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 7:00am

Quote from Justice on Nov 6^th, 2007, 6:47am:

Hey, Watson,

What a pile of horsh!t are you laying around here? As usual!

Solutions! Remember, Watson, Solutions!

Do you have any?

Dear Justice:

Let's talk seriously. Wherever is the problem there is the solution. Do you know what we are talking about under this thread. Ghous Zalmai published a Dari version of holy Koran in Kabul. He is arrested and investigated. He committed nothing wrong - that is the problem.

The solution is that he should not be arrested and investigated in the first place. That's a civil solution. In no part of Afghan laws it is mentioned that Ghous Zalmai cannot publish the book in Dari.

Talebi solution:

Since the arrest and investigation of arrest was confirmed by the puppet parliament today a huge bomb send about ten members of the puppet parliament and about 100 of their supporters to the hell in Baghlan province. That's another solution.

Now your insisting on solution does not make any sense.

What do you mean by solution?

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #23 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 8:28am

Ok, Watandost,

Let's see if we can get serious, for once.

The idea here is that: ..."Ghous Zalmai published a Dari version of holy Koran in Kabul. He is arrested and investigated. He committed nothing wrong - that is the problem."...

If he did nothing wrong, how can that be a problem? Shocked

Then you state: ..."In no part of Afghan laws it is mentioned that Ghous Zalmai cannot publish the book in Dari"...

Why should there be a law for such a thing, anyway? undecided

Wouldn't that allow for Afghans speakers of other languages to be able to read and do whatever it is that Muslims do with the Qur'an? Wouldn't scholastic education of other languages be helpful in this, supposed, problem? Roll Eyes

I understand that ancient arabic is the claimed original language - but we must remember that that is also being disputed -, and when it comes to translations, the word for word approach is a complete failure.

What must be translated is the idea itself, and even Arabs can't provide a "straight" interpretation of the Qur'an because no one truly knows what in the world Mhmd and his "fan club" were really up to - other than the well known fact that they engaged in "holy wars" no different than today's Muslims -.

Part of that dispute includes the fact that there appears to be no true "original" scripture.

But, let me not digress!

Either way, the Qur'an was written by men, in Arabic. It could have very easily been written in Xorcziak, for all we know, and then translated to Llosa - You do know about the Llosa people, don't you? - where it could easily be nothing but the Qur'an.

This "issue" does not appear to be a highly important issue (this is just my perspective and not intended to say that it should be viewed that way by all), unless, of course, we are going "BACK" to the same retrograde ideas that have been so many, many times addressed in this forum. - And when it comes to those ideas, there appear to be no solution anyone cares to enact -

As I can see, you are of the opinion that there is nothing wrong. My question to you is, what needs to be done, by who, where, how soon, and why, if at all?

Ultimately, why is it that this Dari translation is anything American? Whose concept is that, anyway, and why must it be American and not Afghan - An afghan committed this "atrocity" didn't she?

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #24 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 5:24pm

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 5^th, 2007, 6:22pm:

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Dear Khaak,

From what we remember Khaak was very sad for the defeat of the Taliban, and the major set back to Pakistani intentions in our country.....has it been that long that your memory is failing you Tongue

The Bonn Conference hijacked the struggle against the Taliban. And with the murder of Massoud by CIA-ISI agents, there was no one to continue his mission.

Puppet Karzai was chosen on the basis of ethno-fascist understandings of Afghan politics, and that is where we are now.

The US and Karzai have no love for Masssoud or his vision for our country. On the contrary, they use his image for political purposes only. YOu know that very well.

In the meantime, ethno-fascist Milletis and "reformed Talibs, and opportunistic Afghan-americans continue to rule our nation for US interests.

The US used three instruments to gain control in our country. The first was nominal praise for Massoud, the second was Milleti fascism, and the third was Islamism.

Today ALL THREE strategies are failing, and the Pakitalibs are back....isnt that interesting!!!

Dear JKabuli:

Taleban are back. That's interesting. Now the question is directed to you:

How much vesiline have you stored to be on safe side?

Khaak

Dear Khaak,

YOu and your Talib boyfriends wil need the vasiline for each other. Your days are numbered as the Pakistani base is crumbling.

The US is already conspiring with Gen.Kiyani to oust Musharaf and bring Bhutto to power. This will spark a majro uprising that will end with the destruction of Talibism.

SO, you see good things are happening Grin

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #25 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 7:21pm

Quote from Justice on Nov 6^th, 2007, 8:28am:

Ok, Watandost,

Let's see if we can get serious, for once.

The idea here is that: ..."Ghous Zalmai published a Dari version of holy Koran in Kabul. He is arrested and investigated. He committed nothing wrong - that is the problem."...

If he did nothing wrong, how can that be a problem? Shocked

Then you state: ..."In no part of Afghan laws it is mentioned that Ghous Zalmai cannot publish the book in Dari"...

Why should there be a law for such a thing, anyway? undecided

Wouldn't that allow for Afghans speakers of other languages to be able to read and do whatever it is that Muslims do with the Qur'an? Wouldn't scholastic education of other languages be helpful in this, supposed, problem? Roll Eyes

I understand that ancient arabic is the claimed original language - but we must remember that that is also being disputed -, and when it comes to translations, the word for word approach is a complete failure.

What must be translated is the idea itself, and even Arabs can't provide a "straight" interpretation of the Qur'an because no one truly knows what in the world Mhmd and his "fan club" were really up to - other than the well known fact that they engaged in "holy wars" no different than today's Muslims -.

Part of that dispute includes the fact that there appears to be no true "original" scripture.

But, let me not digress!

Either way, the Qur'an was written by men, in Arabic. It could have very easily been written in Xorcziak, for all we know, and then translated to Llosa - You do know about the Llosa people, don't you? - where it could easily be nothing but the Qur'an.

This "issue" does not appear to be a highly important issue (this is just my perspective and not intended to say that it should be viewed that way by all), unless, of course, we are going "BACK" to the same retrograde ideas that have been so many, many times addressed in this forum. - And when it comes to those ideas, there appear to be no solution anyone cares to enact -

As I can see, you are of the opinion that there is nothing wrong. My question to you is, what needs to be done, by who, where, how soon, and why, if at all?

Ultimately, why is it that this Dari translation is anything American? Whose concept is that, anyway, and why must it be American and not Afghan - An afghan committed this "atrocity" didn't she?

Dear Justice:

Your question:
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Why is it that this Dari translation is anything American?

America is in control of Afghanistan. The people who ordered the arrest of Ghous Zalmai are installed in power by the United States of America.

Do not you know that?

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #26 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 7:53pm

Quote from JKabuli on Nov 6^th, 2007, 5:24pm:

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 5^th, 2007, 6:22pm:

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Dear Khaak,

From what we remember Khaak was very sad for the defeat of the Taliban, and the major set back to Pakistani intentions in our country.....has it been that long that your memory is failing you Tongue

The Bonn Conference hijacked the struggle against the Taliban. And with the murder of Massoud by CIA-ISI agents, there was no one to continue his mission.

Puppet Karzai was chosen on the basis of ethno-fascist understandings of Afghan politics, and that is where we are now.

The US and Karzai have no love for Masssoud or his vision for our country. On the contrary, they use his image for political purposes only. YOu know that very well.

In the meantime, ethno-fascist Milletis and "reformed Talibs, and opportunistic Afghan-americans continue to rule our nation for US interests.

The US used three instruments to gain control in our country. The first was nominal praise for Massoud, the second was Milleti fascism, and the third was Islamism.

Today ALL THREE strategies are failing, and the Pakitalibs are back....isnt that interesting!!!

Dear JKabuli:

Taleban are back. That's interesting. Now the question is directed to you:

How much vesiline have you stored to be on safe side?

Khaak

Dear Khaak,

YOu and your Talib boyfriends wil need the vasiline for each other. Your days are numbered as the Pakistani base is crumbling.

The US is already conspiring with Gen.Kiyani to oust Musharaf and bring Bhutto to power. This will spark a majro uprising that will end with the destruction of Talibism.

SO, you see good things are happening Grin

Dear JKabuli:

Stop your k(0)smaderi under this thread. Give a chance to Justice to talk about "the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan", will you?

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #27 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 7:54pm

Dear Watandost,

..."America is in control of Afghanistan. The people who ordered the arrest of Ghous Zalmai are installed in power by the United States of America."...

What in the world does that mean?

Are you saying that the US is opposed to educating the Afghan population? Under any circumstances? Hogwash!

It is in the interest of the occupiers that the occupiees get along fine, rather than not!

That is the reason there are now very many "nice" looking, modern set, well prepared, reliable buildings and housing, just waiting to get taken by the bunch of "victims" the westerners don't care to protect!

Naw, maan. It's a symbiotic relationship, and I hoped you figured it out already! It's a "give and give" deal. There must be a "win win" situation. All you ever envisioned and advocated was a "loser forever because they want me to be a loser" position!

Otherwise, you would be back in the 7th century!

Oh! Wait a minute. My mistake. I forgot. Most of you Afghans rather have a 7th century Afghanistan.

Well, then, go ahead, stay in the 7th century!

Ta ta!!!

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #28 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 8:01pm

Quote from Justice on Nov 6^th, 2007, 7:54pm:

Dear Watandost,

..."America is in control of Afghanistan. The people who ordered the arrest of Ghous Zalmai are installed in power by the United States of America."...

What in the world does that mean?

Are you saying that the US is opposed to educating the Afghan population? Under any circumstances? Hogwash!

It is in the interest of the occupiers that the occupiees get along fine, rather than not!

That is the reason there are now very many "nice" looking, modern set, well prepared, reliable buildings and housing, just waiting to get taken by the bunch of "victims" the westerners don't care to protect!

Naw, maan. It's a symbiotic relationship, and I hoped you figured it out already! It's a "give and give" deal. There must be a "win win" situation. All you ever envisioned and advocated was a "loser forever because they want me to be a loser" position!

Otherwise, you would be back in the 7th century!

Oh! Wait a minute. My mistake. I forgot. Most of you Afghans rather have a 7th century Afghanistan.

Well, then, go ahead, stay in the 7th century!

Ta ta!!!

Dear Justice:

Yes, the US is 1000% against education in Afghanistan! Today the US is busy fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan under the mask of Taleban. I am convinced that anywhere a school is burnt in the name of Taleban it is the work of G. W. Bush and his accomplices.

In Iraq, the US army looted Iraq museum which was a history of 5000 years civilization but the invading army protected the oil wells! In protest to that G. W. Bush colleagues who were working for culture resigned from their posts.

Do you doubt the US is ruled by terrorists and robbers today?

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #29 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 8:09pm

Dear Justice:

Afghanistan never had an Islamic regime. Today we got the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan because it is imposed by the Untied States of America.

The United States bluff it is there to promote democracy. In democracy the votes of people are counted. In Bonn Conference, Satar Sirat secured eleven votes against 2 votes for Karzai. Zal Khalilzad, American agent there, announced it is the US foreign policy not to go for a non-Pashtoon leader in Afghanistan!

Now tell me who is pissing on democracy and who is taking Afghanistan back to the 7th century?

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #30 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 8:35pm

Watson,

I know US is full of double-standards but you can not blame everything on them. Where is Afghans' responsibility. If we were to use your logic, then every Afghan just like yourself should come to the WEST sit on his in fron of his PC and write BS in Afghanistan-online, having a cup of green tea with the welfare money.

Here is a home work for you: who were the participants of the Loya Girga and how many of them wanted the Islamistic law? Go and find the figures, present it here and then that way we can all come up to a conclusion. Every Afghan knows that.

Secondly the entire Bonn agreement was hijacked by the Northern Alliance, almost 70% of the participants. Most Pashtun participants had walked out, and then in return a deal was struck with compromise. Henceforth Karzai became the president while in turn the Northern Alliance would control the three important ministries: interior, foreign and defense. Even the US is probably having a headache maneuvering their double standard in Afghan dirty politics.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #31 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 8:56pm

Quote from faZ on Nov 6^th, 2007, 8:35pm:

Watson,

I know US is full of double-standards but you can not blame everything on them. Where is Afghans' responsibility. If we were to use your logic, then every Afghan just like yourself should come to the WEST sit on his in fron of his PC and write BS in Afghanistan-online, having a cup of green tea with the welfare money.

Here is a home work for you: who were the participants of the Loya Girga and how many of them wanted the Islamistic law? Go and find the figures, present it here and then that way we can all come up to a conclusion. Every Afghan knows that.

Secondly the entire Bonn agreement was hijacked by the Northern Alliance, almost 70% of the participants. Most Pashtun participants had walked out, and then in return a deal was struck with compromise. Henceforth Karzai became the president while in turn the Northern Alliance would control the three important ministries: interior, foreign and defense. Even the US is probably having a headache maneuvering their double standard in Afghan dirty politics.

Dear faZ:

The talk is about Ghous Zalmai. He published a Dari translation of Koran in Dari. Abdul Jabar Sabet who works as the attorney general of Karzai package ordered his arrest.

Talk in that limit. The talk is very very specific. Do not attempt to derail the course of talks. If you have any question to pose to Khaak, please do that without any hesitation.

Khaak

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #32 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 9:33pm

OK Khaak,

I will just do that, if you also apply the same rule to yourself. You always keep braging about the Bon conference and how Mr Serat won the majority votes but rather Krzai was imposed by the US, which a big piece BS! The conference was entirely aimed at creating the right ambience for a compromise deal between various Afghan groups and as result Karzai was embraced to lead the country, EVERY ONE welcomed it!

Now in the case of the guy who has published the k Koran in Dari, I'm still yet waiting to more revelations and details. Publishing anything in any language is not a crime at all. But you know and I know that a parliament full of "jahels" anything is possible. And in that case the govt has to be very careful. If you remember with the guy who converted to Christianity, majority of Afghanistan wanted him executed but it was the same Abdul Jabar Sabet and the govt who saved his life.

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #33 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 9:44pm

Quote from faZ on Nov 6^th, 2007, 9:33pm:

OK Khaak,

I will just do that, if you also apply the same rule to yourself. You always keep braging about the Bon conference and how Mr Serat won the majority votes but rather Krzai was imposed by the US, which a big piece BS! The conference was entirely aimed at creating the right ambience for a compromise deal between various Afghan groups and as result Karzai was embraced to lead the country, EVERY ONE welcomed it!

Now in the case of the guy who has published the k Koran in Dari, I'm still yet waiting to more revelations and details. Publishing anything in any language is not a crime at all. But you know and I know that a parliament full of "jahels" anything is possible. And in that case the govt has to be very careful. If you remember with the guy who converted to Christianity, majority of Afghanistan wanted him executed but it was the same Abdul Jabar Sabet and the govt who saved his life.

Dear faZ:

Your comments duly noted.

You prefer an exceptional measure over general measure. مصلحت اندیشی is an exceptional measure and I won't confirm the politics of مصلحت اندیشی!
Again, you present the case of Ghous Zalmain and government's approach to it on the basis of مصلحت اندیشی! Afghanistan is in such big limbo because of that wrong policy. If you believe in Islam I would give you an example. You resort to 'tayamom' when water is not available. You cannot use 'tayamom' anywhere you wish or like.

Such approach to issues is neither Islamic nor moral. It is the policy of hypocrisy. The philosopher for hypocrisy was beautifully described in the master piece of an Italian writer named "the Prince". Khaak is a Muslim religious wise and a legal person in the context of modern world. He does not believe in Makiavali(spelling?).

Khaak

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faZ Ex Member	Re: What's this Americanized Islam? Reply #34 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 9:58pm Khaaka, Thanks for the reply, also please explain me those words in English. I will add my input, gotta sleep now it's 6am.LOL
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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #35 - Nov 6^th, 2007, 11:53pm

Quote from JKabuli on Nov 6^th, 2007, 5:24pm:

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 5^th, 2007, 6:22pm:

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Dear Khaak,

From what we remember Khaak was very sad for the defeat of the Taliban, and the major set back to Pakistani intentions in our country.....has it been that long that your memory is failing you Tongue

The Bonn Conference hijacked the struggle against the Taliban. And with the murder of Massoud by CIA-ISI agents, there was no one to continue his mission.

Puppet Karzai was chosen on the basis of ethno-fascist understandings of Afghan politics, and that is where we are now.

The US and Karzai have no love for Masssoud or his vision for our country. On the contrary, they use his image for political purposes only. YOu know that very well.

In the meantime, ethno-fascist Milletis and "reformed Talibs, and opportunistic Afghan-americans continue to rule our nation for US interests.

The US used three instruments to gain control in our country. The first was nominal praise for Massoud, the second was Milleti fascism, and the third was Islamism.

Today ALL THREE strategies are failing, and the Pakitalibs are back....isnt that interesting!!!

Dear JKabuli:

Taleban are back. That's interesting. Now the question is directed to you:

How much vesiline have you stored to be on safe side?

Khaak

Dear Khaak,

YOu and your Talib boyfriends wil need the vasiline for each other. Your days are numbered as the Pakistani base is crumbling.

The US is already conspiring with Gen.Kiyani to oust Musharaf and bring Bhutto to power. This will spark a majro uprising that will end with the destruction of Talibism.

SO, you see good things are happening Grin

then Jk will serve people in Burger King in shar-e-now

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #36 - Nov 7^th, 2007, 8:06am

Quote from Ayna on Nov 6^th, 2007, 11:53pm:

Quote from JKabuli on Nov 6^th, 2007, 5:24pm:

Quote from WatanDost on Nov 5^th, 2007, 6:22pm:

Quote:

Dear Khaak,

From what we remember Khaak was very sad for the defeat of the Taliban, and the major set back to Pakistani intentions in our country.....has it been that long that your memory is failing you Tongue

The Bonn Conference hijacked the struggle against the Taliban. And with the murder of Massoud by CIA-ISI agents, there was no one to continue his mission.

Puppet Karzai was chosen on the basis of ethno-fascist understandings of Afghan politics, and that is where we are now.

The US and Karzai have no love for Masssoud or his vision for our country. On the contrary, they use his image for political purposes only. YOu know that very well.

In the meantime, ethno-fascist Milletis and "reformed Talibs, and opportunistic Afghan-americans continue to rule our nation for US interests.

The US used three instruments to gain control in our country. The first was nominal praise for Massoud, the second was Milleti fascism, and the third was Islamism.

Today ALL THREE strategies are failing, and the Pakitalibs are back....isnt that interesting!!!

Dear JKabuli:

Taleban are back. That's interesting. Now the question is directed to you:

How much vesiline have you stored to be on safe side?

Khaak

Dear Khaak,

YOu and your Talib boyfriends wil need the vasiline for each other. Your days are numbered as the Pakistani base is crumbling.

The US is already conspiring with Gen.Kiyani to oust Musharaf and bring Bhutto to power. This will spark a majro uprising that will end with the destruction of Talibism.

SO, you see good things are happening Grin

then Jk will serve people in Burger King in shar-e-now

Sorry, but we would never take your job away!!! Grin

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #37 - Nov 9^th, 2007, 12:52pm

Quote from Ayna on Nov 5^th, 2007, 8:32pm:

قرآن با همین صورت ولغتیکه نازل شده در سینه ها ثبت وقابلیت حفظ را داشته از گزند تحریف در امان است . ترجمه قرآن کریم بدون کلیمات والفاظ منزل به زبان عربی هم وجود ندارد.همین الفاظ قرآن إعجاز آن است که حقانیت رسول خاتم را تا رسیدن به خدا
امتداد می بخشد
غوث زلمی روزنامه نگار ،قاری مشتاق احمد و بختیاری مجهول الهویه
در مورد خصوصیات وویژه گی های قرآن معلومات اندکی هم نداشته اند .ایشان قرآن کریم را به سائر کتب آسمانی چون
تورات وانجیل مقایسه کرده اند که بدون داشتن کلیمات منزل بزبانیکه نازل شده تر جمه وبه دسترس جهانیان قرار گرفته بناء خواستند رسم نو بر پا کنند وقرآن را بزعم خود شان ساده سازند.غافل ازینکه این اقدام شان به منزلۀ تحریف قرآن است عملی که اگر عمدی باشد معادل کفر است.ایشان نمیدانند که کلیمات منزل قرآن إعجاز آن است ودلیل بقا وجاودانگی وضامن حفظ آن از تحریف است.

what ever i post here is not my own writing, but someone else. and the reason i posted here is i do agree with writer

I found this site from the wikipedia about the different translations of Quran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_translations_of_the_Qur'an#Persian

• Ghodratollah Bakhtiarinejad, (قدرت الله بختياری نژاد) - Qur'an alone branch
http://www.quran-farsi.net/index.htm

If this is the same translation published/distributed in Afghanistan, it comes from a very suspect / non traditional (sunni, shia) source. They resemble Rashid khalifa belief with a Shia twist. (prayer etc..) They even have the number 19 معجزات رياضی قرآن .

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #38 - Nov 9^th, 2007, 2:24pm

lets read what says about the reason he published his book,

توسط استاد قدرت الله بختياری نژاد

ندانستن زبان عربی باعث اين شد که متاسفانه عمری دستورات پروردگار را نفهمم و برای فهميدن اوامر خداوند به حرف اين آن گوش بدهم.

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افرادی که ادعا ميکنند مردم برای فهميدن و درک قرآن به آنها احتياج دارند دکان باز کرده اند

اين سايت برای افرادی مثل من که زبان عربی نمی دانند تهيه شده و آرزوی من اين است که بعد از خواندن قرآن مجيد به زبانی که ما می فهميم

شما هم ارزش اين کتاب مقدس و الهی را مثل من احساس کنيد و زندگی شما هم مثل زندگی من کاملا عوض شود و رنگ ديگری بگيرد .

now lets read his translation from chapter one

, الم. (1)

اين كتابی است كه هيچ شكی در آن نيست.

راهنمای افراد پرهيزكار است. (2)

پرهيزكارانی كه به غيب ايمان دارند و نماز را بر پا ميدارند

و از آنچه روزی آنها ساخته‌ايم انفاق ( در راه خدا خرج ) ميكنند. (3)

افرادی كه به آنچه به تو نازل شد ( يعنی به قرآن )

و به آنچه قبل از تو نازل شد ( يعنی به تورات و انجيل و كتابهای پيغمبران ديگر )، ايمان و به آخرت يقين دارند. (4)

چنين افرادی از جانب خداوندشان هدايت شده اند و چنين افرادی موفق و رستگار هستند

now compare his translation with hundred of Farsi translation with Quranic verses which existed for hundred years . here is one example,

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

به نام خداوند بخشنده بخشايشگر

الم (1)

الم (بزرگ است خداوندى كه اين كتاب عظيم را، از حروف ساده الفبا به وجود آورده).

ذلك الكتاب لا ريب فيه هدى للمتقين (2)

آن كتاب با عظمتى است كه شك در آن راه ندارد; و مايه هدايت پرهيزكاران است. (2)

الذين يؤمنون بالغيب و يقيمون الصلاة و مما رزقناهم ينفقون (3)

پرهيزكاران) كسانى هستند كه به غيب (آنچه از حس پوشيده و پنهان است) ايمان مى‏آورند; و نماز را برپا مى‏دارند; و از تمام نعمتها و مواهبى كه به آنان روزى داده‏ايم، انفاق مى‏كنند. (3)

و الذين يؤمنون بما انزل اليك و ما انزل من قبلك و بالآخرة هم يوقنون (4)

و آنان كه به آنچه بر تو نازل شده، و آنچه پيش از تو (بر پيامبران پيشين) نازل گرديده، ايمان مى‏آورند; و به رستاخيز يقين دارند

اولئك على هدى من ربهم و اولئك هم المفلحون

آنان بر طريق هدايت پروردگارشانند; و آنان رستگارانند

Can any one find the deferences, other then elemanation of Quranic verses, what are his motive behind all this ?

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Re: What's this Americanized Islam?
Reply #39 - Nov 9^th, 2007, 5:47pm

Quote from M.Yousef on Nov 9^th, 2007, 12:52pm:

Quote from Ayna on Nov 5^th, 2007, 8:32pm:

قرآن با همین صورت ولغتیکه نازل شده در سینه ها ثبت وقابلیت حفظ را داشته از گزند تحریف در امان است . ترجمه قرآن کریم بدون کلیمات والفاظ منزل به زبان عربی هم وجود ندارد.همین الفاظ قرآن إعجاز آن است که حقانیت رسول خاتم را تا رسیدن به خدا
امتداد می بخشد
غوث زلمی روزنامه نگار ،قاری مشتاق احمد و بختیاری مجهول الهویه
در مورد خصوصیات وویژه گی های قرآن معلومات اندکی هم نداشته اند .ایشان قرآن کریم را به سائر کتب آسمانی چون
تورات وانجیل مقایسه کرده اند که بدون داشتن کلیمات منزل بزبانیکه نازل شده تر جمه وبه دسترس جهانیان قرار گرفته بناء خواستند رسم نو بر پا کنند وقرآن را بزعم خود شان ساده سازند.غافل ازینکه این اقدام شان به منزلۀ تحریف قرآن است عملی که اگر عمدی باشد معادل کفر است.ایشان نمیدانند که کلیمات منزل قرآن إعجاز آن است ودلیل بقا وجاودانگی وضامن حفظ آن از تحریف است.

what ever i post here is not my own writing, but someone else. and the reason i posted here is i do agree with writer

I found this site from the wikipedia about the different translations of Quran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_translations_of_the_Qur'an#Persian

• Ghodratollah Bakhtiarinejad, (قدرت الله بختياری نژاد) - Qur'an alone branch
http://www.quran-farsi.net/index.htm

If this is the same translation published/distributed in Afghanistan, it comes from a very suspect / non traditional (sunni, shia) source. They resemble Rashid khalifa belief with a Shia twist. (prayer etc..) They even have the number 19 معجزات رياضی قرآن .

Dear M. Yousef:

If I accept your logic and consider this translation a non-traditional one then this translation is according to Islam Prophet (pbuh) Sunnah! It is the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) not to pursue traditional version of religion i.e. Christianity and Judaism.

What's your thought about that?

Dear Ayna:

You compare the translation with a traditional translations but without revealing the source of that translation. How much are you sure that traditional translation was not the work of an anti-Islam person? Practicing traditional way of life contradicts Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).

If you were a traditional Muslim you would not have communicated through internet because the Prophet (pbuh) never used internet.

Khaak

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