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The difference between Taliban and jehadi fundamen
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A semi-wild Taliban fighter
 
     
A semi-wild Taliban fighter A fighter of Hezb-e-Wahdat
(Lackey of Iranian regime)
 

A criminal fighter of Ahmad Shah Masoud Jehadi criminals
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Jehadi criminals
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The difference between Taliban and jehadi fundamentalists
 
From RAWA publication "The Burst of the 'Islamic Government' Bubble in Afghanistan", Jan.1996  
 
 
 
 
RAWA believes that the Taliban and other jehadi (Northern Alliance) fundamentalist cliques of Rabbani, Sayyaf, Masoud, Khalili, Hekmatyar and their like are brothers in arms. They are all of the same hue, because:  
All of them have a Klashnikov in one hand and the Quran in the other to kill, intimidate, detain and mutilate our people arbitrarily.  
 
All are violently misusing Islam, interpret the Quran according to their own personal whims and political interests, and use religion as a cover to hide their heinous crimes.  
 
They are all proud of stoning men and women to death, cutting their limbs, public executions and punishing the people without trial in an authorized court.  
 
Educational affairs during more than four years of the jehadi fundamentalists' rule were not better than what we find today under the Taliban. All of them are equally hostile to science and culture. If Taliban simply close the doors of all schools and name Radio Kabul as so-called Radio Shariat, the Rabbani and other bands of jehadi fundamentalists were not different. They called schools "the doors of hell" and termed radio as "devil's box" and TV as "Satan's mirror"! Book burning ceremonies were held in Kabul and elsewhere under the personal supervision of the infamous Seddiqu Chakari, the so-called minister of information and culture of Rabbani's administration.  
 
All of them are not indigenous and are dependent on foreign countries. The Taliban too cannot last long without foreign support and the same holds true for other jehadi fundamentalists as well.  
 
They are not only incapable of providing any economic relief to the Afghan people but are also unwilling to take any step that benefits the masses. The conditions are so disastrous in Afghanistan that people are forced to sell their children just to save them from dying of starvation in cold winters. Unprecedented abuses of human rights were committed on mass scale under the domination of both types of fundamentalists.  
 
On the international scene, both have lost their reputation. If the Taliban arrest the UN officials, Rabbani and Masoud's henchmen raided the embassy of Pakistan killing at least one and leaving behind many injured, including the Pakistani ambassador. Rabbani was also engaged in sending his agents to Pakistan for terrorist activities.  
 
Although Taliban's hostility against our women goes far beyond in intensity than what they had been experiencing during the rule of Rabbani & Co., it must be noticed that it was Mr Sibghatullah Mujaddedi who instead of paying heed to any of the numerous serious problems of Afghan people, raised hue and cry for imposition of "Islamic hejab". It was in the light of such injunctions that Rabbani & Co. too started to ban women from appearing on TV and working in the offices.  
 
Both have brought a bad name to Afghanistan by cultivating and smuggling opium and its products around the world.  
 
Of course, presently the rate of murdering, raping young girls and boys, and looting houses by the Taliban has been somehow less than jehadi fundamentalists; but the degree of brutalities of Taliban only against Afghan women is enough to understand the bigotry and fanaticism of this group. They physically force people to pray and destroy audio/video cassettes as haram (forbidden), and regard hearing even the sound of a woman's steps as a sin! It is quite likely that if Taliban succeed to consolidate their position all over the country, they will become even more cruel, ferocious and rigid in the name of Shariat.  
 
Ironically, the former jehadi rulers are now trying their best to present themselves as more 'civilized' than the Taliban. They had their own women speaking out in defense of their fundamentalist bosses to justify their crimes against humanity. The Taliban, on the other hand, do not even pretend -- at least for the time being -- to be 'civilized'. They do not hesitate to issue commands of absurd nature like the one which orders that no human being should be photographed!  
 
In view of what we said, it is easy to understand that the current infighting among different types of fundamentalists is nothing but a bloody war of Islamic bandits over booty. And since they are controlled by their foreign masters, the conflicting interests of these patron countries are also playing havoc with the fate of the Afghan people. The role of these masters is an important factor in the continuity of the war to which there seems to be no end in sight.  
 
Someone has said: “action speaks louder than words.” Fundamentalists are fundamentalists, no matter in what country, and no matter which religion they belong to or defame in true sense and no matter what name they bear. Whether Northern Alliance fundamentalists or Taliban, both of them stand in the same position as far as their nature and actions are concerned. They are the two sides of the same coin. And this is now a proven fact.  
 
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Re: The difference between Taliban and jehadi fund
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امریکا اول تروریست های «ائتلاف شمال» را به قدرت نشاند و اکنون برای رهانیدن خود از باتلاق افغانستان، سگان رانده شده‌ی گلبدینی و طالبی‌اش را نیز میکوشد با دلالی پدر خوانده قدیمی و ریاکارآنان – صبغت اله مجددی- در دولت سهیم سازد. این برای هزار و یکمین بار دست نشاندگی دولت و نیات واقعی امریکا از «جنگ علیه تروریزم» و اشغال افغانستان را به نمایش میگذارد. ملل متحد و امریکا کوچکترین بهایی به آزادی و دموکراسی و بهروزی برای مردم ما قایل نبوده و فقط و فقط برای منافع خودش در افغانستان می‌جنگد. اداره بوش و ملل متحد سعی دارند امروز تبهکارترین گروه های بنیادگرا و میهنفروشان پرچمی و خلقی را روی یک دسترخوان بنشاند و فردا که خاینان مذکور دور دریدن یکدیگر را آغاز کردند، امریکا دوباره با حمایت این و آن جناح خاین، از آب گل آلود ماهی گرفته و نخواهد گذاشت جای پایش در افغانستان را رژیم ایران از طریق فعالیت های فرهنگی، قبضه کردن تقریباً کلیه رسانه ها، و نویسندگان و شاعران شرفباخته‌ی افغانی‌اش، سست سازد.  
 
- «سی آی ای» جبار ثابت گلبدینی را به جان رقبای گوناگونش رها کرده تا ضمن اجرای درامه‌ی «وجود قانون و بازخواست» در افغانستان، نگذارد تضاد ها بین سگانش کاهش بیابد. اما همین جنایتکار گلبدینی وقتی با عطامحمد یا فلان فاسد از خاندان مجددی شاخ به شاخ می‌شود، همچون سنگ و کلوخ سکوت اختیار می‌کند.
 
 
ابرهای سیاه و ننگین وحشت طالبی و «ائتلاف شمال»، افق میهن بلادیده ما را تیره و تار کرده اند. شرایط مبارزه آزادیخواهانه سختتر شده است. مردم ما و بخصوص نیروهای استقلال طلب دموکرات و ضدبنیادگرا در عرض پنج سال اخیر به خوبی دریافته اند که نه امریکا و نه هیچ قدرت خارجی بیگانه قادر نیست و نمیخواهد آنان را از زنجیر های تبهکاران طالبی و «ائتلاف شمال» نجات بخشد. نجات ما مطلقا با اتکا به نیروی خود ما و نیروهای آزادیخواه در سرتاسر جهان میسر است اگر جرئت کنیم به پیکار برخیزم و از قربانی دادن نهراسیم.  
 
ملت ما تاریخ درخشان بیگانه ستیزی دارد اما باید اذعان داشت که در برابر تجاوزکاران و خاینان و جانیان بومی متاسفانه حوصله و تحمل بیکرانی به خرج داده است. رسالت اصلی نیروهای انقلابی و آشتی ناپذیز با بنیادگرایان و کلیه مرتجعان است که مردم پیهم ضربه خورده و خیانت دیده را در راه جنبش دموکراسی طلبانه‌ی ضد طالبی، ضد «ائتلاف شمال» و شرکا و ولی‌نعمتان جهانی آنان، در هر سطح ممکن برانگیخته و متشکل سازند. با ناامیدی و انفعال هیچ کاری از پیش نمی‌رود.  
 
طاعونیان ۸ ثوری و ۷ وثوری متحد شده اند، این اتحاد خاینانه را باید با تدارک قیام سلحشورانه و یکپارچه‌ی اکثریت مردم رنجکشیده‌ی و به جان رسیده ما بر مبنای ضدیت قاطع با بنیادگرایان و پوشالیان و صاحبان شان و دفاع پیگیر از دموکراسی و عدالت اجتماعی و حقوق زنان، پاسخ گفت.
 
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Re: The difference between Taliban and jehadi fund
Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2008, 3:54pm
 
Quote from Zanburak Shah Kabuli on Feb 5th, 2008, 3:31pm:


A semi-wild Taliban fighter


A semi-wild Taliban fighter A fighter of Hezb-e-Wahdat
(Lackey of Iranian regime)

A criminal fighter of Ahmad Shah Masoud Jehadi criminals
in action



 
Dear ZSK:
 
There is no need to over repeat that I read your postings and reactions to different events with great pleasures. I get your on and on confirmation that you are in support of a secular regime based on democracy.
 
But when you attempt to introduce Hazaras your posting get an extra explanation which is missing regarding others:
 
(Lackey of Iranian regime)
 
Could you give any explanation?
 
Here we are to learn from each other. I am not exception to learn something from you. Is it necessary to mention Iran along with Hazara traitors and omit it with Taleban and Shorai-nezar?
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2008, 3:54pm
 

All of them have a Klashnikov in one hand and the Quran in the other to kill, intimidate, detain and mutilate our people arbitrarily.  
 
All are violently misusing Islam, interpret the Quran according to their own personal whims and political interests, and use religion as a cover to hide their heinous crimes.  
 
They are all proud of stoning men and women to death, cutting their limbs, public executions and punishing the people without trial in an authorized court.

 
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Re: The difference between Taliban and jehadi fund
Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2008, 4:05pm
 
Quote from WatanDost on Feb 5th, 2008, 3:54pm:
Quote from Zanburak Shah Kabuli on Feb 5th, 2008, 3:31pm:


A semi-wild Taliban fighter

 
A semi-wild Taliban fighter A fighter of Hezb-e-Wahdat
(Lackey of Iranian regime)

A criminal fighter of Ahmad Shah Masoud Jehadi criminals
in action




Dear ZSK:

There is no need to over repeat that I read your postings and reactions to different events with great pleasures. I get your on and on confirmation that you are in support of a secular regime based on democracy.

But when you attempt to introduce Hazaras your posting get an extra explanation which is missing regarding others:

(Lackey of Iranian regime)

Could you give any explanation?

Here we are to learn from each other. I am not exception to learn something from you. Is it necessary to mention Iran along with Hazara traitors and omit it with Taleban and Shorai-nezar?

Khaak

 
Dear  Khaak:
 
Thanks for correction and your attention to my mistake.
 
The article is from RAWA and you want me explain about the  introduce  of Hazaras ?
 
If you read carefully, RAWA mentioned Hezb-e-Wahdat as lucky of the Iranian regime NOT the majority hardworking class Hazara.
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 5th, 2008, 4:19pm
 
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Dear Khaak:

Thanks for correction and your attention to my mistake.

The article is from RAWA and you want me explain about the introduce of Hazaras ?

If you read carefully, RAWA mentioned Hezb-e-Wahdat as lucky of the Iranian regime NOT the majority hardworking class Hazara.

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Dear ZSK:
 
Here your sense of judgment is under supervision. I have no objection to your labeling Wahadat a puppet of Iran provided the same rule is observed about all. Here every of us is unfair but it is very important to be equally unfair or fair.
 
I am glad you as a flag bearer of revolutionaries in future Afghanistan realize it. Also, you need to beware that those Hazaras whom you count on won't forgive even your tiniest intentional behavior. I know them everywhere and I can easily read their sensitive feelings.
 
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Re: The difference between Taliban and jehadi fund
Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2008, 5:00pm
 
Dear Khaak:
If you put me under your supervision it is up to you but  my judgments are  based on my logic also experiences from the three decades of political and social conditions and state of affairs in our homeland.
I am talking straight from my humanly kind heart. If you are trying to find a  small piece of hair in the  paste Cheesy, I cannot stop you and have no explanations for that. Cheesy My judgments are faire enough and good example for whom are trying to find the truths, because those Shiia type  Jehadi the Iranian stooges equally made crimes and treachery against Afghan and Afghanistan with their other Sunny Jehadi and Talibi accomplices!
 
Let me clear this for you, I am first Afghan Afghan and Afghan nationalist then internationalist. Afghan and Afghanistan national interest  comes first. I have no fears about what happen tomorrow with me. I really care about the current situation ,I love to see Afghanistan stand ,stay on her knees as strong , sovereign and in Independent  country.  
 
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Re: The difference between Taliban and jehadi fund
Reply #7 - Feb 5th, 2008, 5:24pm
 
Quote from Zanburak Shah Kabuli on Feb 5th, 2008, 5:00pm:
Dear Khaak:
If you put me under your supervision it is up to you but my judgments are based on my logic also experiences from the three decades of political and social conditions and state of affairs in our homeland.
I am talking straight from my humanly kind heart. If you are trying to find a small piece of hair in the paste Cheesy, I cannot stop you and have no explanations for that. Cheesy My judgments are faire enough and good example for whom are trying to find the truths, because those Shiia type Jehadi the Iranian stooges equally made crimes and treachery against Afghan and Afghanistan with their other Sunny Jehadi and Talibi accomplices!

Let me clear this for you, I am first Afghan Afghan and Afghan nationalist then internationalist. Afghan and Afghanistan national interest comes first. I have no fears about what happen tomorrow with me. I really care about the current situation ,I love to see Afghanistan stand ,stay on her knees as strong , sovereign and in Independent country.


 
Dear ZSK:
 
your comments carefully noted. Your personal thinking is your thinking. You are free to think and you are free to express it. I respect your that right.
 
You and I have also concluded that you are committed to the principles of secularism and democracy. When you confirm that publicly you cannot overstep related principles. According to the principles of democracy and secularism wrong doing is something personal. It cannot be inherited and you should not give it religious (sunni or shia) and national (Afgan and Irani) shape. You can say Khaak committed this and that mistake and you can accuse me as such. Involving my ethnicity and religion to my mistake makes you a criminal.
 
I am not clear about your family relations but I do read some rascals writing about you where certain people who might be part of your family are brought in the talk because of you. It makes me sad and also your writings when people's religion or nationality are brought in makes me worried.
 
Any civil clarification?
 
Do you consider yourself bound to the principle or put your experiences and ideas on top?
 
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Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2008, 5:54pm
 
Dear Khaak:
I committed to the principles of secularism and democracy. My question is to you what I done wrong against the principles of democracy ?
 
About my family, I mentioned my grandfather was teacher of Amanullah Khan and Mahmoud Tarzi six years ago in this forum, but stupid Abu Jahel called me the grandson of late Mahmoudi???
 
I never consider myself  bound to the principle  and  put my personal experiences and ideas on the top. because  I am an regular ordinary man. I am not  a leader, guide and conductor.
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2008, 6:02pm
 
Quote from Zanburak Shah Kabuli on Feb 5th, 2008, 5:54pm:
Dear Khaak:
I committed to the principles of secularism and democracy. My question is to you what I done wrong against the principles of democracy ?

About my family, I mentioned my grandfather was teacher of Amanullah Khan and Mahmoud Tarzi six years ago in this forum, but stupid Abu Jahel called me the grandson of late Mahmoudi???

I never consider myself bound to the principle and put my personal experiences and ideas on the top. because I am an regular ordinary man. I am not a leader, guide and conductor.

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Dear ZSK:
 
I am in dialog with you. I do not accuse you and I do not intend to do so. Take it easy. Dialog with Khaak.
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 5th, 2008, 6:21pm
 

Dear Khaak:I am in dialog with you as well. I am chill and cool. Just asking question with mutual respect  that’s all.
 
 
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