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Jan 1st, 2010, 9:30am
 
Cyrus cylinder's ancient bill of rights 'is just propaganda'  

 
By Harry de Quetteville in Berlin
Last Updated: 8:07PM BST 16/07/2008
A 2500 year old Persian treasure dubbed the world's 'first bill of human rights' has been branded a piece of shameless 'propaganda' by German historians.
The Cyrus cylinder, which is held by the British Museum, is a legacy of Cyrus the Great - the Persian emperor famed for freeing the Jews of ancient Babylon after conquering the city in 539 BC.
 
A copy of the cylinder, which is covered in cuneiform script supposed to detail the ancient charter of rights, also hangs next to the Security Council Chamber in the United Nations headquarters in New York, where it is held as a symbol of Cyrus's reputation as a fair and just ruler.
 
But now that reputation has been challenged by German historians who claim that the UN is unjustly celebrating the rule of a man every bit as despotic as any other land-grabbing leader.
 
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"The UN made a serious mistake," Klaus Gallas, who is researching a German-Iranian festival next year, told Spiegel magazine. He said that the UN had given the Cyrus scroll false authority. The German government had even been asked to exhibit "the proclamation in a glass case at the Reichstag building", in Berlin, he added.
 
German experts are now clamouring to dismantle the cylinder's claim to fame.
 
Among them is ancient history professor Josef Wiesehöfer, who derided it yesterday as "a propaganda inscription".
 
"It has become a very celebrated document," he said, "but Cyrus himself ordered it done, trying to make himself appear righteous. The real king was not more or less brutal than other ancient kings of the near east, like Xerxes, but he was cleverer."
 
In the UK, author and historian Tom Holland, who wrote about the rise of Cyrus in his book Persian Fire, joined the condemnation of the cylinder as a model text enshrining human rights.
 
"It's nonsense, absolute nonsense," he said. "The ancient Persians were not some early form of Swedish Social Democrats."
 
He added that conquering a huge empire in the ancient world did not come without a list of atrocities, and "he staged several salutatory atrocities when he invaded."
 
He added that the UN's adoption of the cylinder stemmed in part from a desire to claim some eastern roots "when it is so Western in its philosophical underpinnings".
 
But the UN, which has promoted the relic as an "ancient declaration of human rights" since 1971, when then Secretary General Sithu U Thant was given a replica by the sister of the Shah of Iran, stood by its importance yesterday.
 
"It is considered the first human declaration of human rights, guaranteeing the rights and welfare of the Babylonians after the Persians captured the city," Isabelle Broyer, the chief guide at UN headquarters, said yesterday.
 
Since then the scroll, which has been translated into all official UN languages, has helped burnish Cyrus's enduring reputation as a just and fair ruler, who favoured freedom of worship over bloodthirsty tyranny.
 
For all the criticisms of the Cyrus cylinder, it is unlikely to change perceptions of it in Iran, where Cyrus and the cylinder are regarded with intense national pride.
 
"It is a source of great pride," said Mr Holland, "but like many things said about Persia in Iran, it has to be taken with a big pinch of salt."
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Reply #1 - Jan 3rd, 2010, 9:09pm
 
Dear Ghoul4ever,
 
How would a primitive Tribal and supporter of the Taliban know anything about Human Rights??
 
Show us one document by your Talib boyfriends that even mentions the word.
 
The article you post is an old one that was discussed a long time ago on this site, so repitition is not necessary.
The point here is that thousands of years ago a document existed that for the first time discussed the topic of Human Rights. Just that allows it to be considered as a major historical achievement.
 
History and especially archeology are not sciences that have one proven position on an issue. History is opinion based on existing facts that may later prove to have been false...and so the search for knowledge about the past is constantly moving ahead. What you have here in your article is one person's opinion, and he may have some evidence to back him up, but you can be sure that counter arguments exist as well.
 
The major weakness of this article is that it compares a known...the document (cylinder)...with a subject about which we have less certainty...the character and reign of Cyrus.
Whether  Cyrus practiced what he preached is less relevant than the fact that he made Human Rights part of his legacy.
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 7th, 2010, 12:10pm
 
That is PutaKhazana4ever's retaliation against concrete evidence put forward on the ficticiousness of PutaKhazana book as well as the PutaKhazana mentality, and what a retaliantion that is!  Grin  
 
Here is a very comprehensive refutation by Farsi-zabaan scholar Dr. Kawa Forough in response to a similiar article published by DerSpeigel :  
 

 
http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/articles/nordicism/response-to-spiegel-magazine-2/
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Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2010, 1:30pm
 
Falling for Ancient Propaganda
UN Treasure Honors Persian Despot
By Matthias Schulz  
 
A 2,500-year-old cuneiform document ceremoniously displayed in a glass case at the United Nations in New York is revered as an "ancient declaration of human rights." But in fact, argue researchers, the document was the work of a despot who had his enemies tortured.
 
Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi was planning a record-breaking gala. First he proclaimed the "White Revolution," a land reform program, and then declared himself the "Light of the Aryans." Finally, in October of 1971, he had taken it upon himself to celebrate "2,500 years of the Iranian monarchy." The organizers of the celebration had promised to deliver "the greatest show on earth."
 
The Shah had 50 opulent tents set up amid the ruins of Persepolis. Invited dignitaries included 69 heads of state and crowned monarchs. The guests consumed 20,000 liters of wine, ate quail eggs with pheasant and gilded caviar. Magnum bottles of Château Lafite circled the tables.
 
At the high point of the festival, the Shah walked to the grave of Cyrus II who, in the 6th century B.C., had conquered more than 5 million square kilometers (1.9 million square miles) of land in a long and bloody war.
 
Critics at the time complained that $100 million (€63 million) was a lot of money to spend celebrating the ancient Persian king. "Should I serve heads of state bread and radishes instead?" was the Shah's brusque rejoinder.  
 
Religious leader Ayatollah Khomeini, still in exile at the time, was also quick to issue his scathing criticism: "The crimes committed by Iranian kings have blackened the pages of history books."
 
But the Shah knew better. Cyrus, he announced, was a very special man: noble and filled with love and kindness. The Shah insisted that Cyrus was the first to establish a right to "freedom of opinion."^
 
'Ancient Declaration of Human Rights'
 
Pahlevi also ensured that his view of history would be taken to the United Nations. On Oct. 14, just as the party in Persepolis was in full swing, his twin sister walked into the United Nations building in New York, where she handed a copy of a cuneiform document, about the size of a rolling pin, to then Secretary General Sithu U Thant. Thant thanked her for the "historic gift" and promptly praised it as an "ancient declaration of human rights."
 
Suddenly even the UN secretary-general was insisting that Cyrus "wanted peace," and that the Persian king had "shown the wisdom to respect other civilizations."
 
Then Thant had the clay cylinder (which contains a supposedly particularly humane decree by Cyrus II dated 539 B.C.) displayed in a glass case in the main UN building. And there it continues to lie today, directly adjacent to a copy of the world's oldest peace treaty.
 
Those were grand gestures and grand words, but in the end it was nothing but a hoax that the UN had fallen for. Contrary to the Shah's claims, the cuneiform degree was "propaganda," explains Josef Wiesehöfer, a scholar of ancient history at the University of Kiel in the northern Germany. "The notion that Cyrus introduced concepts of human rights is nonsense."
 
Hanspeter Schaudig, an Assyriologist at the University of Heidelberg in the southwestern Germany, says that he too would be hard-pressed to see the ancient king as a pioneer when it comes to equality and human dignity. Indeed, Cyrus demanded that his subjects kiss his feet.
 
The ruler was responsible for a 30-year war that consumed the Orient and forced millions to pay heavy taxes. Anyone who refused stood to have his nose and ears cut off. Those sentenced to death were buried up to their heads in sand, left to be finished off by the sun.
 
Did the UN simply believe this historical lie -- concocted by the Shah -- without any further examination?
 
'The UN Made a Serious Mistake'
 
Art historian Klaus Gallas, who is preparing a German-Iranian cultural festival to take place in Weimar next summer, has now brought the matter to the public's attention. During his preparations for the festival he discovered the inconsistencies between the Shah's claims and the Cyrus decree. "The UN made a serious mistake," says Gallas.  
Despite having been contacted by SPIEGEL several times, the organization has declined to comment on the incident. Indeed, the UN Information Service in Vienna continues to insist that many still consider the cuneiform cylinder from the Orient to be the "first human rights document."
 
The aftermath of the hoax has been disastrous. Even German schoolbooks describe the ancient Persian king as a pioneer of humane policies. According to a forged translation on the Internet, Cyrus even supported a minimum wage and right to asylum.
 
"Slavery must be abolished throughout the world," the fake translation reads. "Every country shall decide for itself whether or not it wants my leadership."
 
Even Shirin Ebadi, the 2003 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, was taken in by the hoax. "I am an Iranian. A descendant of Cyrus the Great," she said in her speech in Oslo. "The very emperor who proclaimed at the pinnacle of power 2,500 years ago that ... he would not reign over the people if they did not wish it."
 
The experts are now stunned at this example of a rumor gone wild.
 
If one thing is clear, it is that the figure at the center of this hoax radically shook the ancient Orient like no other ruler. With what German scholar Wiesehöfer calls "military strokes of genius," Cyrus advanced with his armies to India and to the Egyptian border. He is considered the creator of a new kind of country. At the height of his power, he was the ruler of a magnificent empire bursting with prosperity.
 
But it all began far more modestly. Born the son of an insignificant minor king in what is today southwestern Iran, the young man mounted the throne in 559 B.C.
 
Even in antiquity, bizarre legends were associated with the king. According to one of them, Cyrus grew up in the wild and was nursed by a female dog. There are no contemporary images of him.
 
His neighbors to the west soon felt the brunt of this man's determination. After conquering the neighboring Elamite people, he attacked the Median Empire in 550 B.C. with his army's fast combat chariots and soldiers dressed in bronze armor.
 
After that, the upstart king invaded Asia Minor, or modern Turkey, where hundreds of thousands of Greeks lived in colonies. Well-to-do citizens from Priene were enslaved.
 
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,566027,00.html
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Reply #4 - Jan 8th, 2010, 10:52am
 

 
Quote:
.... Cyrus grew up in the wild and was nursed by a female dog...

 
but the above sentence only shows those who spread propaganda with this kind of articles against Cyrus are suffering from an intense inferiority complex against him.
ghoul4evers are anyways a bunch lowlife inferior insects compared to Cyrus and his glories.  
 
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2010, 12:16pm
 
Quote from Shaakh- on Jan 8th, 2010, 10:52am:


Quote:
.... Cyrus grew up in the wild and was nursed by a female dog...


but the above sentence only shows those who spread propaganda with this kind of articles against Cyrus are suffering from an intense inferiority complex against him.
ghoul4evers are anyways a bunch lowlife inferior insects compared to Cyrus and his glories.



 
Dear Shaash,
 
First of all the low life is not me who has brought forward this great article filled with every truth that the civilized world needs to know.  
 
But we are also surprised on how emotional you have become to read one small sentence about your fake culture. While you the greatest ethno-fascist and racist uncivilized creature has been insulting other peoples culture here you are whinning like a lil girl filled with lots of emotions.
 
Grow up and accept the truth that your culture has been filled with deception, lies, untruth stories, an fake literatures.
 
Have your Klinax ready to wipe your tears.
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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2010, 1:10pm
 
Dear A4A,
 
Please learn to read before using the article for your own ethno-fascist purposes.
 
First, Cyrus has nothing to do with present day Iranians or anyone else alive today. He lived thousands of years ago.
 
Second, the article is ONE person's opinion. It has NO legitimate foundations. The history of those times continues to be debated by legitimate historians.
 
Third, the artice NEVER says that the cyliner is "fake". It has been accepted as a genuine arifact from the time of Cyrus by legitimate historians.
 
It is not a "Puta Khazana" ...a true act of deception and forgery. Tongue
 
 
The argument however rests on whether Cyrus practiced what he preached...and that is all!
 
The significance of the Cylinder goes beyond Cyrus....it represents the first time people focused on the issue of human rights...and that is what makes it important.
 
So, now that you are somewhat educated, you can go and find something else that will feed your ethno-fascist needs.
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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2010, 8:59am
 
«گل نبشته‌ي كورش»
 
این که نخستین بار کوروش اندیشه های حقوق بشر را طرح کرده است، سخنی پوچ است  /جوزف ویزهوفر (Josef Wiesehofer)
 
 
 
بر خلاف ادعای شاه، جوزف ویزهوفر (Josef Wiesehofer) شرق شناس پرسابقه از شهر کیل می گوید که این لوح خط میخی بیش از یک “پروپاگاند” (تبلیغ) نیست. او می گوید: “این که نخستین بار کوروش اندیشه های حقوق بشر را طرح کرده است، سخنی پوچ است.”
 
هانس پتر شاودیگ (Hanspeter Schaudig)، آشورشناس از هایدلبرگ نیز در این فرمانروای باستانی، مبارز پیشاهنگ برابری و احترام نمی بیند. زیردستان او باید پاهای او را می بوسیدند.
 
نزدیک به سی سال این فرمانروا شرق را به جنگ کشید و میلیون ها انسان را در بند مالیاتی خود اسیر ساخت. به دستور او بینی و گوش نافرمایان را می بریدند. محکومان به مرگ را تا سر در خاک می کردند و خورشید کار را به پایان می رساند.
 

 
اين فرهنگ هنوز متکی به افتخارات دروغين ظاهرا ملی را، که مورخين فرمان بر کليسا و کنيسه برای ما ساخته اند، به دور اندازيم، به خصلت های کهن ايرانيان پيش از داريوش بازگرديم، اتحادی رسمی و قانونی و برابر حقوق را پايه ريزيم و به نيازهای بوميان ايران توجه کنيم که صاحبان اصلی اين سرزمين اند و ۷۰۰۰ سال است با اين آب و خاک، بدون ستيزه ی ملی، و در نهايت صبوری، ساخته اند

 
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Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2010, 7:31pm
 
Dear Uzbek,
 
Parroting the idiocy of the Pakiboys does you no good.
 
As we have said in this thread, the issue of who Cyrus was and what he did is hidden in the thousands of years of history. No historian...even if they be German Tongue, can claim that they have proof that Cyrus was this...or that.
 
What IS important is that a document like the one recorded in the cylinder was written in those times, and in the name of Cyrus. As such, it remains the FIRST official statement of ther recognition of Human Rights.
 
Cyrus has nothing to do with present day Iran and its backward leaders...so defaming Cyrus in order to attack the Iranis is a total waste of time.
 
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